topic Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ??? in Extensions

Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024

AntonioSousa — Fri, 03 Nov 2023 11:22:08 GMT

Just received this, from a client account, and cannot believe it:

As someone that has developed several dozen of extensions, most of them in EF 1, the target is not doable! What is worse is knowing this, this way.

@Mike_L, we need some urgent clarifications on this...

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

Mike_L — Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:46:26 GMT

Hello,

This message was sent out to all accounts we believe are affected by this discontinuation.

There is an accompanying blog post coming with additional information. We are also working on a how-to guide on how to convert Python extensions to the new framework as soon as customers and partners can do that.

I have forwarded this thread to the work group who are busy with the EF1 removal.

Mike

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

Julius_Loman — Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:46:56 GMT

Yes, that's true. Unfortunately, Python Code Extensions 2.0 are not even available yet. We definitely need to know what the sunset in October 2024 means. Extensions will stop working completely? Just new extensions could not be added? Just support will be discontinued and the extensions will keep working?

Even with a successful conversion, there can be quite a significant impact on existing customers in terms of DDUs, as the EF2 is based on a continuous "data-stream" (logs/events/metrics/...) to have the entities created and alive (at least once in 15 minutes). There is currently no option to create the entities without it as it was possible in EF1.

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

AntonioSousa — Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:51:37 GMT

@Mike_L,

There are so many doubts about this, but I'm forwarding this internally. We have about 40 extensions, some 10 to 15 scheduled, and I knew this from a client?

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

Mike_L — Wed, 01 Nov 2023 11:11:59 GMT

Python extensions in EF2 is scheduled to be available somewhere around Perform. We are aiming to release the how-to guides on conversions in December or January so people can prepare for it.

The sunset date means that we will remove the extension framework from OneAgents and ActiveGates.

If you are aware of use cases which is not possible with Extension Framework 2.0 our product management team will be interested to hear about that.

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

AntonioSousa — Tue, 31 Oct 2023 20:05:37 GMT

@Mike_L,

This can't happen like this. Remembers me of Custom Charts 😞
https://community.dynatrace.com/t5/Dashboarding/Custom-charting-deprecation-and-Data-Explorer-gaps/m-p/169738

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

Mike_L — Tue, 31 Oct 2023 20:13:12 GMT

We will provide some automation scripts as part of the vscode plugin from my team to simplify the conversions of Python extensions, such as converting a part of the plugin.json file. We are also able to help out through Dynatrace services if the 12 month advance notice is too limited for planning.

For JMX the automatic conversions instructions are already available on https://developer.dynatrace.com/extensions-v2/dynatrace-extensions-vscode/guides/jmx-conversion/

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

AntonioSousa — Tue, 31 Oct 2023 20:52:41 GMT

@Mike_L,

There are so many questions that have arised in the last two hours, since I was notified of this. The Community is certainly not the place to put them, so I have channeled them internally. I hope to get replies really fast.

We all value your contributions here, and especially how fast they are. But I'll repeat what I said initially, given what else I have discovered in the meantime: this sunset timing is not reasonable, and in my opinion, not doable...

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

AntonioSousa — Wed, 01 Nov 2023 09:47:36 GMT

Will staying at a specific version in October 2024, eg. AG v1.299, maintain EF1 support?

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

Mike_L — Wed, 01 Nov 2023 09:53:39 GMT

Probably for a while, but it is uncertain for how long. I recommend against it though as Python 3.8 is out of support in October 2024 so you would be running unsupported software on your OAs/AGs.

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

AntonioSousa — Wed, 01 Nov 2023 10:01:16 GMT

Is this a decision associated with not willing to move beyond 3.8 ?

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

Mike_L — Wed, 01 Nov 2023 10:46:12 GMT

There are many reasons behind this decision. It all boils down to providing our customers with the best possible option for extending the Dynatrace platform so we can invest in a best in class, supported, easy, scalable, secure framework.

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

AntonioSousa — Wed, 01 Nov 2023 11:15:45 GMT

@Mike_L,

Sorry, can't understand how this helps in any of those five points. And mainly, it undermines confidence, going forward.

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

Mike_L — Wed, 01 Nov 2023 11:21:58 GMT

Hopefully the blog post planned by product management will clarify it sufficiently for everyone with questions.

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

AntonioSousa — Wed, 01 Nov 2023 11:57:53 GMT

Now that we are in the hope phase, I hope:

Dynatrace reconsiders not retiring support for the framework, in the terms announced, given that not even today there is a clear understanding of how EF2 will support many of the existing EF1 possibilities.
Now that we can't get the cat in the box again, Dynatrace has to publicly reference on how it will support it's frameworks&features in the future, including naturally EF2, but also SDKs, Unified Analysis View, AppEngine, AutomationEngine, etc. We, developers, Partners and especially Clients, need to have a clear understanding of Dynatrace's commitment to each one of them
I hope this doesn't go down as the Custom Charts saga, for instance. Still today, more than two years after, Data Explorer still does not have features that Custom Charts has.
https://community.dynatrace.com/t5/Dashboarding/Custom-charting-deprecation-and-Data-Explorer-gaps/m-p/169738

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

michal_nalezin — Thu, 02 Nov 2023 14:55:33 GMT

Hi Antonio,

You're absolutely correct - I acknowledge that our communication with the experts could have been handled better. In September we did have two internal messages shared, followed now by this public message to customers. We are providing a 12-month window prior to the End-of-Life (EOL) of Extension Framework 1.0 (EF1.0). And as we understand that this timeframe may not suffice for some of you, and we want to ensure that Dynatrace will support you in various ways. Starting from automated JMX conversion to dedicated trainings on Python migration.

When we introduced Extension Framework 2.0 (EF2.0) in March 2021 (blog) we already mentioned that EF1.0 would eventually be phased out. Subsequently, our primary focus has been on maximizing the value of the new EF2.0, resulting in limited investments in EF1.0. As a result, maintaining its functionality and security beyond October '24 is not feasible especially that Python 3.8 (base for custom plugins) will reach end of life then.

You've rightly brought up the issue of feature parity between EF2 and EF1. While I agree that we may not have all the same functionalities in EF2 as we did with plugins, we are actively working to bridge most of these gaps or provide suitable workarounds. It's worth noting that a similar process occurred with Custom Charts, where functionalities were added during 12-month period after deprecation was announced.

In the meantime, I suggest we focus on two key areas:

How we can assist you and other customers with the migration to EF2.
Prioritizing the gaps that need attention.

Looking forward to discuss further
Michal Nalezinski (Senior Product Manager)
Dynatrace Enterprise Applications and Services

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

AntonioSousa — Thu, 02 Nov 2023 15:07:58 GMT

@michal_nalezin,

I have transmitted internally many issues that I believe are important. You should have access to them, and I'll use the correct forums to deal with them. And that includes the two key areas you mention.

Now, here in the Community, we have to address at least the following:

Dynatrace has to come forward and say how and till when will functionalities & features be supported? If not, developers, Partners and especially Clients, will not be able to build with confidence in the Dynatrace platform.
Framing this as a python 3.8 support issue is unbelievable for me!
Communication was deplorable, especially because the only notice I received was from one of the few tenants that I follow that doesn't have a single EF1 extension.
I hope we don't go the way Custom Charts went. Still today, two and a half years later, it still has at least one feature very important to me, that is not supported elsewhere by Dynatrace.

Finally, I would say that this is a problem that at the moment few of us have a real perception of the impacts. I have talked to several other EF1 developers, and treatment was the same. Fortunately, clients don't know the real impacts this will have, at least for now.

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

Julius_Loman — Mon, 13 Nov 2023 20:10:59 GMT

@michal_nalezin where can we track the gaps and features, so we can speed up the feature parity? Product Ideas here in the community?

The largest gaps I see are:

unable to create topology without continuous data stream (in EF1 you don't need any metric/log/event to have the topology). Despite this achievable by sending log/events or metric, it will would significant impact on the customers in terms of DDU as they may not have it in the budget or the extension value may drop due to increased cost in Dynatrace licenses.
There are no relations between Dynatrace builtin entities and custom topology entities based on IP addresses / ports, I had a support ticket opened a year ago for that https://one.dynatrace.com/hc/en-us/requests/99626 and it still does not seem to be working as in EF1.
No possibility to have a link on the EF2.0 entity screen to an external system. EF1 had the button "Show details" which was used to open a source system (source of the data). Customers use that heavily with our Nagios and Zabbix extensions.

And yes, at least partners with existing extensions in the HUB need to have access to code-level extensions, preferably prior to Perform. We have existing customers, re-developing the extensions in EF2 will take some time and also we need to reach out to our customers to deploy it.

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

lucas_hocker — Fri, 03 Nov 2023 12:56:16 GMT

Hi Julius, I'm curious about your use case where you want to create topology but not ingest any data. What would be the purpose of the entity, if you don't intend to send in any metrics or events for it?

Re: Extension Framework 1.0 (EF 1.0) will be sunset in October 2024 ???

AntonioSousa — Fri, 03 Nov 2023 14:00:47 GMT

@lucas_hocker,

Not about @Julius_Loman use-case, but I have one similar situation, involving CMDB integration.