31 Jul 2020 04:48 PM
I am wondering if Dynatrace has thought about (if even possible) developing a full stack OneAgent for iOS and Android?
I know that the capability to instrument OneAgent within a mobile app is possible, but that is only if the app code is open. Also, it only would be focused on the app and not the device as well.
Specific industries have employees with company issued devices for many different reasons. While I do not see any real value in placing such a thing on every single mobile device issued by a company for things such as just because they are an employee and supplied a smart device, there are specific industries where such devices are critical to job function.
Use case
In our case, we have transportation drivers who 100% depend on the company issued device (Android and Apple) and the apps on them (both proprietary and non-proprietary). Some of those apps are from our SaaS cloud vendors.
There is an industry need to not only monitor the performance of a custom mobile application, but also vendor apps, and just as important - the mobile device itself including OS.
I am guessing there are many challenges when it comes to trying to get insight into these devices on such a level with Apple most likely being the biggest.
But it makes me wonder if this need has been recognized and if discussions have taken place with the likes of Apple and Google to meet this need?
Also curious how many others out there would find value in this if available for the industry you work in.
Let the think tank begin! 🙂
Thanks!
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31 Jul 2020 04:55 PM
Thats a very good use case and definitely worth a RFE!
31 Jul 2020 05:03 PM
I debated on question or RFE 🙂
I thought first I would try to better understand the current limitations that might prevent this currently either from the device vendor, OS vendor, or Dynatrace. I also was curious how many others would see value in this capability for the industry they work in.
31 Jul 2020 06:03 PM
I can talk with some inside knowledge on this, because I'm also in the security area. And we have been doing special projects in this domain.
Doing
what you ask for requires rooting/jailbreaking the devices. That is
particularly easy for Android devices (at least, some). Until some
months ago, that was virtually impossible for iOS devices on the latest versions. This has
changed since late 2019, and since then a series of iOS devices are
almost guaranteed to be jailbreakable for life, independent of the iOS
version. Newer hardware versions don't have this possibility though...
What
you are asking for has a lot of value. There are a lot of use cases,
and the future being mobile, will lead to an even bigger usage of mobile
devices.
03 Aug 2020 11:07 AM
Just to complement three things:
03 Aug 2020 06:21 AM
What you are asking for ist not really possible without rooting the devices - and requiring your customers to root their devices is nothing you want (unless you are in the forensics industry...). This would impose a big security risk onto the customers and also could lead to failure of that agent at any OS update that invalidates the jailbreak. Also there are some Apps, especially banking apps or other security sensitive apps that intentionally cease to work when they detect to be run on a rooted/jailbroken device. The mobile OS are designed with their sandboxing architecture to prevent exactly that one process spies on all other apps/processes. So summary in theory it would be possible with tremendous effort, but to be realistic see this happening for the mobile agents.
03 Aug 2020 01:32 PM
Correct, which is my point really. This is not so much just a Dynatrace question, but one for the smart phone industry as well. Also keep in mind, I am not talking about personal devices here. I am talking about devices that are issued by a company to its employees with company apps and specific industries.
It's probably more of a question of the mobile industry recognizing this need than it is companies like Dynatrace. I was just curious if this has been thought about and to what level.